From: Jameela Lares [jlares@ocean.otr.usm.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 6:04 AM To: Milton-List Subject: Query on scholarly edition of KJV A student of a friend had the following query. I seem to think that versions of this question have been posed before, but not in this exact details. Replies on- or off-list would be appreciated. Thanks! Jameela Lares University of Southern Mississippi Query: "I'm looking for a literary edition of the King James Bible, you know, with notes and, if available, discussions of the funky translations from the original languages. I've heard that Norton is supposedly putting one out, but it wasn't listed with an on-line version of Books in Print." From: AntiUtopia@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:18 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: tolerance In a message dated 5/24/00 6:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjksezth@fs1.ce.umist.ac.uk writes: << Milton's culture may well have been a lot more "intolerant" than the one that I live in (probably was) so that is another reason, above and beyond his poetry, why I admire the man. I hope that you can "tolerate" this contribution. Tony Hill www.ce.umist.ac.uk >> That was a really good post, Tony. I think "tolerance" is used in a slightly different fashion in PC talk than in the vernacular for common irritations like noise, etc. But perhaps only slightly differently. I think "tolerance" in P.C. talk comes from a recognition that people from different cultures, subcultures, and langauges have real differences that are difficult to overcome. It's a bit grating to us to be surrounded by people too terribly different from us -- it stretches our expectations and our ability to cope. Perhaps we shouldn't be that way, but we are, and if we live in a truly foreign culture for any extended period of time we know the feeling... So I think that's why "tolerance" is used. They're tolerating us and we're tolerating them :) I think it's a bit off to compare this to Biblical teachings -- tolerance isn't love. Tolerance is what you do to live peacefully with people that are different from you, love is a lot more interactive... Jim From: durocher@stolaf.edu Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:05 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Raphael? Lehnhof" at May 18, 0 07:19:46 am Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu Concerning Raphael's credibility, an important discussion--in addition > to those thoughtfully noted by Gardner Campbell, John Leonard, Diane > McColley, and John Ulreich--is Philip J. Gallagher's "'Real or > Allegoric': The Ontology of Sin and Death in *Paradise Lost,*" in > English Literary Renaissance 6 (1976): 317-35. Gallagher points out > that Raphael was ignorant of the painful birth of Sin, and on the > basis of that ignorance, argues for Satan's authorship of the birth > of Athena/Sin in Hesiod's *Theogony.* Good luck. Rich DuRocher, St. Olaf College > > > In the latest chapter of my dissertation, I am finding it necessary to > contradict a few statements made by Raphael. In order to justify my > disagreement with the angel, I explain that I'm not alone in questioning his > credibility: "Numerous scholars have persuasively pointed out that Raphael > is quite possible wrong on a number of points." In my attempt to build the > footnote that will refer the reader to these "numerous scholars," though, I > seem to have encountered a problem--I can't find any! After leafing through > my notes and taking a spin around the MLA, I can't locate any published > essays that suggest that Raphael's authority is less-than-reliable. Have I > fabricated an entire sub-movement in Milton studies? Can anybody refer me to > work claiming that Raphael is not altogether authoritative? > Thanks, > Kent Lehnhof > kent.lehnhof@duke.edu > > From: Mario A. DiCesare [dicesare@interpath.com] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:28 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Empson query tobias gregory wrote: > > Could somebody tell me in what year Empson was posthumously honored by the > Milton Society of America? Where might I find the text of the MSA's > statement to this effect? > > thanks very much-- > > Tobias Gregory > Assistant Professor of English > California State University, Northridge Dear Tobias Gregory, Empson was honored by the Milton Society at the Milton Society dinner in 1995. The eulogist was Richard Strier. There was a good deal of consternation at our decision to honor Empson. As the president that year and one who supported the recommendation, I stand wholeheartedly behind it. Mario A. Di Cesare From: Don Ulin [ulin+@pitt.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:31 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: women reading PL Perhaps this has already been said (I don't have the entire thread available where I'm working at home), but in MADWOMAN IN THE ATTIC, Gilbert and Gubar offer a very interesting reading of WUTHERING HEIGHTS as an ironic inversion/subversion of PARADISE LOST. If you're interested in women's readings of PL, it would certainly be worth a look. Don Ulin Univ. of Pittsburgh at Bradford Tony Hill wrote: > Date sent: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:17:31 +1200 > To: milton-l@richmond.edu > From: John Hale > Subject: women reading PL > Send reply to: milton-l@richmond.edu > > > Who were the first few women readers of Paradise Lost who left a record of > > what they thought about it, please? And where can I find their reponses, > > and more about their lives and reading habits? > > JKH > > I don't know about the "first few women" but I'm almost sure you > will find something in Dorothy Wordsworth's writing and I would > also look to the Brontes ( in diaries, notebooks etc. generally > available now) > > Tony Hill > www.ce.umist.ac.uk From: Deborah Dale [ffff@u.washington.edu] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 8:38 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Lycidas Dear all, I wanted to draw your attention, if you are not aware of it already, to the "favorite poem project" and a reading of "Lycidas," as well as an accompanying personal story (told with heart) about the poem, and what meaning this poem has had in the life of the reader. at http://www.favoritepoem.org/ Click on archive and Lycidas should pop up. The attending story is moving. Deborah Dale From: Juliet Cummins [juliet.cummins@pgrad.arts.usyd.edu.au] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 2:29 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Raphael? Just came across another critic of Raphael -- Martin Kuester, "The End of Monolithic Language" English Studies in Canada 15 (1989) 263-76. Juliet Cummins. -----Original Message----- From: Kent R. Lehnhof To: milton-l@richmond.edu Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 4:40 AM Subject: Raphael? > >In the latest chapter of my dissertation, I am finding it necessary to >contradict a few statements made by Raphael. In order to justify my >disagreement with the angel, I explain that I'm not alone in questioning his >credibility: "Numerous scholars have persuasively pointed out that Raphael >is quite possible wrong on a number of points." In my attempt to build the >footnote that will refer the reader to these "numerous scholars," though, I >seem to have encountered a problem--I can't find any! After leafing through >my notes and taking a spin around the MLA, I can't locate any published >essays that suggest that Raphael's authority is less-than-reliable. Have I >fabricated an entire sub-movement in Milton studies? Can anybody refer me to >work claiming that Raphael is not altogether authoritative? >Thanks, >Kent Lehnhof >kent.lehnhof@duke.edu > From: Carol Barton [cbartonphd@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:13 PM To: 18th Century Interdisciplinary Discussion; editor@ws.bowiestate.edu; milton-l@richmond.edu; American Literary Scholars Subject: Returning the favor This is not an encomium to war, a defense of military strategy, or a = diatribe on foreign policy. Nor is it hermeneutical exegisis, deconstruction, or literary criticism. It doesn't address Milton, or Shakespeare, Chaucer, Donne, or Pope, or = Swift. What it is, is a reminder that Memorial Day is about more than the = beaches opening, and the stores running their marathon sales, and the = picnics and pool parties and barbecues you will attend this long = weekend, if you're like most of America. It's a thank you, to the men and women among us who endured the hell of = war so that we might know the blessings of peace, the scared kids who = didn't want to go to Normandy and Saigon and Seoul and Da Nang, but were = terrified not to, lest the enemy come here instead. It's for the kids = who came home in one physical piece with their hearts and brains = scrambled, those who lost an arm or a leg or an eye or their minds, = those who came home in a box or a body bag, and those who never made it = home at all, for whom we naively wore MIA bracelets and marched in = protest and said prayers, as though those gestures and talismans could = protect them from being tortured, maimed, and killed.. It's about those who endured the privation of the battlefield, the = hostility of foreign hosts, the misery and the loneliness and the = unspeakable terrors of bombs and grenades and strafings and minefields = and snipers and watching your buddy die before your eyes, feeling guilty = because he caught the bullet or the shrapnel or the napalm or the = grenade that may have been meant for you. It's about kids of eighteen or = nineteen years old being send halfway around the world to do the work of = men, kids who, unlike the sons of privilege, inhaled, long and deep: the = stench of battle, the smell of blood, the bitter aroma of the friends = with whom they had laughed and drunk and showered and dreamed of home, = lying dead and dying all around them, and they carried nightmares back = with them in their satchels to wherever they returned in the good ol' = U.S.A. or Merry Olde England or whatever country had sent them to = protect its shores. For some of them, those scars have never quite gone = away, inside the picket fences and the flower-bedecked lawns of a = civilization at peace. This is a thank you to all of those who recognized with Edmund Burke = that all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men (and women) to = stand by and do nothing. No matter what conflict you served in, no matter how wrong or right the = generals were who sent you wherever you went, thank you for being brave = enough to go. I can remember cringing in my bed, terrified, as a child = during the Cuban missile crisis, the TV blaring the latest news from = Havana while I prayed that God would let my little sister grow up. I = remember the air raid drills and the bomb shelters and the stories my = mother told me of Lord Haw Haw sniggering, "Bristol, look out: you're = next!" and of being on bomb watch and in air raid evacuation shelters in = London during the strafings. Even so, I only know the very least of what = war can do. And so I salute you, all of you. You kept me, and people like me, from = harm, people who are lucky enough because of you never to have seen the = trouble you've seen. I know from past experience that this note will = bring on strident attacks from several quarters, but that doesn't bother = me. After all, you defended me.=20 The least I can do is return the favor. With no apologies for the authorship, which is solely mine, or the = cross-posting, which will allow me to reach the people to whom I need = to speak, happy Memorial Day to all. Carol Barton From: kuesterm@mailer.uni-marburg.de Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:53 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Raphael? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set.