From: Tobias Gregory [tobias_gregory@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 5:13 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Empson query Dear Professor Di Cesare, Thanks for your response. I, too, belive that Empson is as deserving of honor as anyone who has written on Milton in the past half-century. The consternation you report says something about the current state of Milton studies, at least circa 1995. best, Tobias Gregory >From: "Mario A. DiCesare" >Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu >To: milton-l@richmond.edu >Subject: Re: Empson query >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:27:49 -0400 > >tobias gregory wrote: > > > > Could somebody tell me in what year Empson was posthumously honored by >the > > Milton Society of America? Where might I find the text of the MSA's > > statement to this effect? > > > > thanks very much-- > > > > Tobias Gregory > > Assistant Professor of English > > California State University, Northridge > > >Dear Tobias Gregory, > >Empson was honored by the Milton Society at the Milton Society dinner in >1995. The eulogist was Richard Strier. There was a good deal of >consternation at our decision to honor Empson. As the president that >year and one who supported the recommendation, I stand wholeheartedly >behind it. > >Mario A. Di Cesare > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Marc Ricciardi [marccr@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 5:44 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Returning the favor Carol Barton wrote: > > This is not an encomium to war, a defense of military strategy, or a = > diatribe on foreign policy. > > Nor is it hermeneutical exegisis, deconstruction, or literary criticism. > > It doesn't address Milton, or Shakespeare, Chaucer, Donne, or Pope, or = > Swift. > > What it is, is a reminder that Memorial Day is about more than the = > beaches opening, and the stores running their marathon sales, and the = > picnics and pool parties and barbecues you will attend this long = > weekend, if you're like most of America. > > It's a thank you, to the men and women among us who endured the hell of = > war so that we might know the blessings of peace, the scared kids who = > didn't want to go to Normandy and Saigon and Seoul and Da Nang, but were = > terrified not to, lest the enemy come here instead. It's for the kids = > who came home in one physical piece with their hearts and brains = > scrambled, those who lost an arm or a leg or an eye or their minds, = > those who came home in a box or a body bag, and those who never made it = > home at all, for whom we naively wore MIA bracelets and marched in = > protest and said prayers, as though those gestures and talismans could = > protect them from being tortured, maimed, and killed.. > > It's about those who endured the privation of the battlefield, the = > hostility of foreign hosts, the misery and the loneliness and the = > unspeakable terrors of bombs and grenades and strafings and minefields = > and snipers and watching your buddy die before your eyes, feeling guilty = > because he caught the bullet or the shrapnel or the napalm or the = > grenade that may have been meant for you. It's about kids of eighteen or = > nineteen years old being send halfway around the world to do the work of = > men, kids who, unlike the sons of privilege, inhaled, long and deep: the = > stench of battle, the smell of blood, the bitter aroma of the friends = > with whom they had laughed and drunk and showered and dreamed of home, = > lying dead and dying all around them, and they carried nightmares back = > with them in their satchels to wherever they returned in the good ol' = > U.S.A. or Merry Olde England or whatever country had sent them to = > protect its shores. For some of them, those scars have never quite gone = > away, inside the picket fences and the flower-bedecked lawns of a = > civilization at peace. > > This is a thank you to all of those who recognized with Edmund Burke = > that all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men (and women) to = > stand by and do nothing. > > No matter what conflict you served in, no matter how wrong or right the = > generals were who sent you wherever you went, thank you for being brave = > enough to go. I can remember cringing in my bed, terrified, as a child = > during the Cuban missile crisis, the TV blaring the latest news from = > Havana while I prayed that God would let my little sister grow up. I = > remember the air raid drills and the bomb shelters and the stories my = > mother told me of Lord Haw Haw sniggering, "Bristol, look out: you're = > next!" and of being on bomb watch and in air raid evacuation shelters in = > London during the strafings. Even so, I only know the very least of what = > war can do. > > And so I salute you, all of you. You kept me, and people like me, from = > harm, people who are lucky enough because of you never to have seen the = > trouble you've seen. I know from past experience that this note will = > bring on strident attacks from several quarters, but that doesn't bother = > me. > > After all, you defended me.=20 > > The least I can do is return the favor. > > With no apologies for the authorship, which is solely mine, or the = > cross-posting, which will allow me to reach the people to whom I need = > to speak, happy Memorial Day to all. > > Carol Barton Amen. From: Ann Gulden [a.t.gulden@iba.uio.no] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 2:39 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Query on scholarly edition of KJV I find ed. Robert Alter + Frank Kermode The Literary Guide to the Bible useful (London: Fontana, 1997) At 05:04 01.06.00 -0500, you wrote: > >A student of a friend had the following query. I seem to think that >versions of this question have been posed before, but not in this exact >details. Replies on- or off-list would be appreciated. Thanks! > >Jameela Lares >University of Southern Mississippi > >Query: "I'm looking for a literary edition of the King James Bible, you >know, with notes and, if available, discussions of the funky translations >from the original languages. I've heard that Norton is supposedly putting >one out, but it wasn't listed with an on-line version of Books in Print." > > > From: ShemthePenman2@cs.com Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 4:38 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Query on scholarly edition of KJV I am not sure if this helps, but I used an Oxford edition of the Bible several years ago. What I can't quite remember is if it was the King James. Other than that it was very good. It even included the apocrypha. From: Patricia J. Nebrida [pnebrida@corecomm.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 2:24 PM To: 'milton-l@richmond.edu' Subject: RE: Query on scholarly edition of KJV Jameela, The Bible: Authorized King James Version with Apocrypha. Oxford: Oxford UP, 1998. Notes and Introduction by Robert Carroll and Stephen Prickett, respectively. It's available in paperback and includes a select bibliography and glossary. Hope this helps. Patricia J. Nebrida Dissertator English Loyola University, Chicago, IL -----Original Message----- From: Jameela Lares [SMTP:jlares@ocean.otr.usm.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 5:04 AM To: Milton-List Subject: Query on scholarly edition of KJV A student of a friend had the following query. I seem to think that versions of this question have been posed before, but not in this exact details. Replies on- or off-list would be appreciated. Thanks! Jameela Lares University of Southern Mississippi Query: "I'm looking for a literary edition of the King James Bible, you know, with notes and, if available, discussions of the funky translations from the original languages. I've heard that Norton is supposedly putting one out, but it wasn't listed with an on-line version of Books in Print." From: tristan saldana [hbeng175@csun.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:00 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Empson query What are you suggesting this "Empson consternation" indicates about the current state of Milton studies? Whenever the phrase "current state" is used to discuss anything, we must sit up and listen especially closely. First, what do you think--by your words you clearly already see this "state" some particular way--of the "the current state of Milton studies," aside from the Milton Society's honoring of Empson. I, myself, do not know enough Empson (I confess that I have not read _Milton's God_) and know even less about the "current state of Milton studies" let alone how they how they are interacting right now. In other words, what I am trying to get at is that I do not see this "consternation," at least not immeditately. However, this is not to say that I don't have inferences. But I've lately become ashamed of inference, which says something about what I think about the "current state" of literary study. (Learning when to be ashamed of one's inferences will prove valuable to the preservation of what we read.) But I am slipping into a George Steiner-like, passive-aggressive tone. Forgive me. Surrendering to the lust for inference, for a moment, could the nature of contemporary Empson Pandaemonium in Milton studies come from its honoring a new critic? Empson's value to Milton studies probably goes beyond his new criticism, and I guess (infer) that it also depends on who else was up for the honor. Tristan Saldana On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Tobias Gregory wrote: > Dear Professor Di Cesare, > > Thanks for your response. I, too, belive that Empson is as deserving of > honor as anyone who has written on Milton in the past half-century. The > consternation you report says something about the current state of Milton > studies, at least circa 1995. > > best, > > Tobias Gregory > > > >From: "Mario A. DiCesare" > >Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu > >To: milton-l@richmond.edu > >Subject: Re: Empson query > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:27:49 -0400 > > > >tobias gregory wrote: > > > > > > Could somebody tell me in what year Empson was posthumously honored by > >the > > > Milton Society of America? Where might I find the text of the MSA's > > > statement to this effect? > > > > > > thanks very much-- > > > > > > Tobias Gregory > > > Assistant Professor of English > > > California State University, Northridge > > > > > >Dear Tobias Gregory, > > > >Empson was honored by the Milton Society at the Milton Society dinner in > >1995. The eulogist was Richard Strier. There was a good deal of > >consternation at our decision to honor Empson. As the president that > >year and one who supported the recommendation, I stand wholeheartedly > >behind it. > > > >Mario A. Di Cesare > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From: deg [deg@cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10:46 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: query hello all does anyone on the list know where i might find out information about milton's marginalia/ reading habits. i'm looking at his annotated books in the BL at the moment and was wondering if there is anything on this (other than Achinstein and von Maltzahn). thanks in advance jerome de groot jerome.de-groot@ncl.ac.uk 07930 954642 From: Mario A. DiCesare [dicesare@interpath.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 10:15 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Empson query Tobias Gregory wrote: > > Dear Professor Di Cesare, > > Thanks for your response. I, too, belive that Empson is as deserving of > honor as anyone who has written on Milton in the past half-century. The > consternation you report says something about the current state of Milton > studies, at least circa 1995. > > best, > > Tobias Gregory > DEAR TOBIAS GREGORY, Thanks for your note. Though generally heterodox in my views, I doubt that the consternation said much if anything about the state of Milton studies circa 1995. Speculiations about the state of any studies are always iffy. Otherwise, why not accept that what the executive committee of the Milton Society favors strongly represents the *state of Milton studies circa 1995*? After all, they voted in favor of the nomination. I respect those who were consternated though I firmly and vigorously disagreed with some of their reasons. Unlike many safe critics and scholars and theorists, who hew to a favored line, Empson stimulated a lot of lively thought and discussion of major issues. Cordially, Mario A. Di Cesare From: Jean Graham [graham@tcnj.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10:11 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Query on scholarly edition of KJV The Oxford edition including apocrypha *is* very good, but unless there's another I'm unaware of, it's the New English Bible. ShemthePenman2@cs.com wrote: > > I am not sure if this helps, but I used an Oxford edition of the Bible > several years ago. What I can't quite remember is if it was the King James. > Other than that it was very good. It even included the apocrypha.