From: Russ Leo [leo3623@fredonia.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:14 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Milton and Rushdie Hello. Does anybody know if there is anything written on the connection(s) between Salman Rushdie and John Milton? Specifically in the relationship between "Paradise Lost" and _The Satanic Verses_? I appreciate any inforamation or insight. Thanks, Russ Leo leo3623@fredonia.edu From: Ronald Corthell [rcorthel@kent.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 4:15 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Conference Call for Papers Abstracts and inquiries are invited for an interdisciplinary conference on "Early Modern English Catholic Culture," to be held at the Newberry Library's Center for Renaissance Studies, Chicago, Illinois, October 11-12, 2002. The conference, sponsored by Newberry Renaissance Consortium members Wayne State, Miami, and Kent State Universities, is being organized by Arthur Marotti, Frances E. Dolan, Christopher Highley, and Ronald Corthell. The conference is envisioned as a conversation among scholars from a variety of disciplines. Organizers welcome proposals for papers or panels on any aspect of Catholic culture in early modern England. Possible topics include, but are not limited to, church history and politics, martyrology, nationhood, gender, class, popular culture, ritual, missionaries, polemical writing, devotional art and literature, doctrinal controversies, anti-Catholic representation, scholarly sources and methodologies. Inquiries and one-page abstracts should be sent to Ronald Corthell, Department of English, Kent State University, Kent, OH 44242 or rcorthel@kent.edu. Abstracts must be received by March 1, 2002 in order to be considered for inclusion in the conference. Ronald Corthell Professor Editor, _Prose Studies_ Department of English Kent State University Kent, OH 44242 (330) 672-3211 rcorthel@kent.edu From: Gardner Campbell [gcampbel@mwc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:49 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: id fA7MoBN32754 Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu I should have said "I'm not sure how these latter differ in *Paradise Lost*." I can see how that distinction operates in the excerpt from *Das Kapital*, if "knowledge" means the knowledge of truth that "science" promises, "science" that for Marx reveals "the essence of things." But for Adam and Eve in *PL*, from whom other than Satan just before the Fall do they receive misinformation? What information in prelapsarian Paradise does not somehow participate in "the essence of things"? Adam's explanation of Eve's dream, for example, involves information and knowledge, even though both are incomplete. The same hold true for the information and knowledge (they really seem the same to me here) that Raphael conveys to the human pair. Gardner Gardner Campbell, Ph.D. Associate Professor of English Department of English, Linguistics, and Speech Mary Washington College 1301 College Avenue Fredericksburg, Virginia 22401 (540) 654-1542 >>> cbcox@ilstu.edu 11/06/01 09:30AM >>> Milton-L Moderator wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:17:27 -0500 > From: "Gardner Campbell" > To: > Subject: Re: > > > [CLIP] knowledge, and > information (I'm not sure how these latter differ) The difference is profound -- the former being concerned with reality, the latter with appearances. Cf: "It should not astonish us, then, that vulgar economy feels particularly at home in the estranged outward appearances of economic relations in which these prima facie absurd and perfect contradictions appear and that these relations seem the more self-evident the more their internal relationships are concealed from it... But all science would be superfluous if the outward appearances and the essence of things directly coincided." Capital, Vol.3, Chapter 48 [Note" "Internal relations" as In Leibnitz, Hegel, Marx, Whitehead, Ollman, et al.] Carrol From: Carrol Cox [cbcox@ilstu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:30 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Milton-L Moderator wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:17:27 -0500 > From: "Gardner Campbell" > To: > Subject: Re: > > > [CLIP] knowledge, and > information (I'm not sure how these latter differ) The difference is profound -- the former being concerned with reality, the latter with appearances. Cf: "It should not astonish us, then, that vulgar economy feels particularly at home in the estranged outward appearances of economic relations in which these prima facie absurd and perfect contradictions appear and that these relations seem the more self-evident the more their internal relationships are concealed from it... But all science would be superfluous if the outward appearances and the essence of things directly coincided." Capital, Vol.3, Chapter 48 [Note" "Internal relations" as In Leibnitz, Hegel, Marx, Whitehead, Ollman, et al.] Carrol From: Juliet Cummins [j.cummins@uws.edu.au] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:03 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Milton Down Under Two weeks ago, John Hale held a Milton symposium at the University of Otago in Dunedin which was a great success, and an extremely imaginative way of engaging with Milton's prose and poetry. There were six participants and each was asked to speak for ten minutes about his or her current projects, highlighting the problems he or she was experiencing. This was a welcome change from the standard format of presenting a paper which conceals as far as possible the contradictions, uncertainties and difficulties the presenter is facing. The ten minute presentation was followed by 20 minutes of discussion. The format encouraged the participants to be open with each other and so put us in a better position to help one another in our various projects during the discussion time. The strengths of the symposium included the variety of ways it offered to appreciate Milton and Milton studies. A librarian from Otago University presented part of the library's rare book collection to us, highlighting works written by or about Milton. Suitably attired in white gloves, we were then permitted to turn the leaves of these volumes, including the library's new edition of Paradise Lost, illustrated by John Martin. Each participant then read a short piece from Milton's prose or poetry. This was also refreshing, as conferences tend to make you more distant from the text, rather than closer to it! Each participant chose a reading which had significance for them, and Milton came to life, while we also discovered more about the reader in the reading. Hearing the readings made me keen to attend one of John's Milton marathons. After meeting members of the English Department over a delicious lunch, Shane Wohlers, one of John's Masters students showed us slides of various illustrations of Paradise Lost, mostly by Blake and Martin. This gave us an opportunity to compare and discuss these artists' interpretations of Milton's epic, laying the groundwork for Beverley Sherry's (in absentia) public lecture on Martin's illustrations to Paradise Lost in the early evening. The lecture was followed by a party back at John and Beatrice Hale's place, where we met John's colleagues and friends, and partook of Beatrice's wonderful cooking. It was a great experience to have many Australasian Milton scholars in the one place at the one time, and John was able to create a "Milton Downunder" network which will be very productive in the future. Juliet Cummins. Dr Juliet Cummins School of Law University of Western Sydney LOCKED BAG 1797 PENRITH SOUTH DC NSW 1797. Ph: 02 9685 9452 Fax: 02 9685 9625 From: Milton-L Moderator [owner-milton-l@richmond.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:17 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.5 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:17:27 -0500 From: "Gardner Campbell" To: Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tartan.richmond.edu id fA5FKtf13452 Status: Some places to start: Diane McColley's *Milton's Eve*, John Leonard's *Naming in Paradise*. I'm sure the list will add more. Although it's tempting to assume that Adam is given more knowledge and information than Eve, it's not clear to me that this is so in *Paradise Lost*. In other words, the question of how gender, knowledge, and information (I'm not sure how these latter differ) interact in the epic is a real question, not just an issue. I'd be interested to know what your research reveals to you. Best wishes, Gardner Campbell Gardner Campbell, Ph.D. Associate Professor of English Department of English, Linguistics, and Speech Mary Washington College 1301 College Avenue Fredericksburg, Virginia 22401 (540) 654-1542 >>> 11/05/01 07:39AM >>> Nov 2001 08:58:08 PST Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Lowe Everhart Subject: Gender and Knowledge in Paradise Lost To: "'milton-l@richmond.edu'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu I am currently preparing research for a paper, and wondered if anyone had any particularly good sources they could suggest which examine the question of gender and knowledge in Paradise Lost, i.e., how knowledge and information are offered to Adam and not Eve. Any suggestions would be deeply appreciated. Laura Lowe Everhart lleverhart@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume on Yahoo! Careers. From: Milton-L Moderator [owner-milton-l@richmond.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:18 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) From: Wwanvvar Subject: Re: Spenser, Milton and Blake To: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu In-Reply-To: <20011102165808.37900.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Status: I have been preparing for a paper and I'd like a hint about the way God and Religion are showed among Milton, "Paradise Lost"; Edmund Spenser, "The Faerie Queene" and William Blake in "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell". Any help is welcomed... Thanks... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From: Peter C. Herman [herman2@mail.sdsu.edu] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:16 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Syllabus Help Thanks, this should be very helpful. pch At 09:37 AM 11/2/01 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Professor Herman, > >Do you know Peter Davidson's, Poetry and Revolution: An Anthology of British >and Irish Verse, 1625-1660 (Oxford, 1998)? > >Best, > >Kimberly S. Latta, Ph.D. >Department of English >University of Pittsburgh >526 Cathedral of Learning >Pittsburgh, PA 15206 >Office Phone: (412) 624-6528 >E-mail: ksl1@stargate.pitt.edu > > > > From: "Peter C. Herman" > > Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu > > Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 07:38:53 -0800 > > To: milton-l@richmond.edu > > Subject: Re: Syllabus Help > > > > Dear All, > > > > I'm presently concocting my syllabus for my 17th. century course next > > semester, and I was wondering if the group could suggest some examples of > > imaginative literature, i.e., fiction, drama and/or verse, written during > > the English Revolution that reflects the Revolution. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Peter C. Herman > > > > From: Milton-L Moderator [owner-milton-l@richmond.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:17 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:58:00 -0600 (CST) From: Jameela Lares To: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Gender and knowledge query In-Reply-To: <20011102165808.37900.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Status: On the knowledge end, there's always Howard Schultz, Milton and Forbidden Knowledge. New York: Modern Language Association, 1955. Jameela Lares Associate Professor of English University of Southern Mississippi Hattiesburg, MS 39406-5037 +(601) 266-6214 ofc +(601) 266-5757 fax From: Frances Batycki [dbatycki@ucalgary.ca] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Syllabus Help Dear Professor Herman, I can't answer the question of the top of my head, but I am interested to know what your course covers and what your syllabus usually looks like. I teach it at the U. of Calgary, and the course is a "survey" class, covering 1600 to 1660, including Milton. Poor Milton used to have a course of his own, but the canon-busters decided to demote the fellow. By the by, I'm the one who is using your Sidney text in a rhetoric class, and the students love the text as much as I do. Frances Batycki "Peter C. Herman" wrote: > Dear All, > > I'm presently concocting my syllabus for my 17th. century course next > semester, and I was wondering if the group could suggest some examples of > imaginative literature, i.e., fiction, drama and/or verse, written during > the English Revolution that reflects the Revolution. > > Thanks in advance, > > Peter C. Herman From: Kimberly Latta [ksl1@stargate.pitt.edu] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:38 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Syllabus Help Dear Professor Herman, Do you know Peter Davidson's, Poetry and Revolution: An Anthology of British and Irish Verse, 1625-1660 (Oxford, 1998)? Best, Kimberly S. Latta, Ph.D. Department of English University of Pittsburgh 526 Cathedral of Learning Pittsburgh, PA 15206 Office Phone: (412) 624-6528 E-mail: ksl1@stargate.pitt.edu > From: "Peter C. Herman" > Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu > Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 07:38:53 -0800 > To: milton-l@richmond.edu > Subject: Re: Syllabus Help > > Dear All, > > I'm presently concocting my syllabus for my 17th. century course next > semester, and I was wondering if the group could suggest some examples of > imaginative literature, i.e., fiction, drama and/or verse, written during > the English Revolution that reflects the Revolution. > > Thanks in advance, > > Peter C. Herman > > From: Boyd M Berry [bberry@mail1.vcu.edu] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 4:39 PM To: Peter C. Herman Cc: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Syllabus Help Herrick's volume is clearly a response to the war, even if we can't date the poems. Vaughan's turn to religious verse is also a response. Anne bradstreet's Dialogue between Old and New England is clearly a very different response both to the advent of war and to Stephen Marshall's sermon Curse Meroz. There are lots of after responses, as Margaret Cavendish's Assaulted and Pursued Chastity (1656) and quite a number of Marvell's poems--Nymph being one seeming in his royalist mode. George Wither has a wonderful poem linking King and Parlliament as problems, appended to "England's Miserie and Remedie," reprinted in Wootton's Divine Right and Democracy only. There is Philips' attack on Vavasor Powell, and many retreat poems away from male business employ language of war. Crashaw's flight to continent is a response. I'm looking at Oxford's "Annals of English Liteerature 1475-1950," for the years of the wars. Many listings, many of which I don't know. The Wither poem in Wootton's anthology is from Vox Pacifica of 1645. There is Waller, Browne, D'Avenant. Boyd M. Berry English Department Virginia Commonwealth University P. O. Box 842005 Richmond Va. 23284 2005 804 828 1331 Fax 804 828 8684 On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Peter C. Herman wrote: > Dear All, > > I'm presently concocting my syllabus for my 17th. century course next > semester, and I was wondering if the group could suggest some examples of > imaginative literature, i.e., fiction, drama and/or verse, written during > the English Revolution that reflects the Revolution. > > Thanks in advance, > > Peter C. Herman > > > From: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:39 AM Nov 2001 08:58:08 PST Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Lowe Everhart Subject: Gender and Knowledge in Paradise Lost To: "'milton-l@richmond.edu'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu I am currently preparing research for a paper, and wondered if anyone had any particularly good sources they could suggest which examine the question of gender and knowledge in Paradise Lost, i.e., how knowledge and information are offered to Adam and not Eve. Any suggestions would be deeply appreciated. Laura Lowe Everhart lleverhart@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume on Yahoo! Careers. From: Dr. Carol Barton [cbartonphd@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:32 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Cc: Peter C. Herman Subject: Re: Syllabus Help Peter, take a look at the Thomason Tracts (which you can get on microfilm). You will find a wealth of contemporary poetry and lyrics on the subject (and particularly on Charles I and the execution) there. You might also want to take a look at the sermons, especially the ones about "Charles the Martyr": they're about as fictional ("imaginitive") as prose gets, and are a nice counterpoint overview of the opinions of the "other side" in the regicide wars. Best, Carol Barton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter C. Herman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Syllabus Help > Dear All, > > I'm presently concocting my syllabus for my 17th. century course next > semester, and I was wondering if the group could suggest some examples of > imaginative literature, i.e., fiction, drama and/or verse, written during > the English Revolution that reflects the Revolution. > > Thanks in advance, > > Peter C. Herman > From: Burbery, Timothy [burbery@MARSHALL.EDU] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:44 PM To: 'milton-l@richmond.edu' Subject: Comus on tape? Dear List: My Milton students just did a dramatic reading of Comus, and I got to wondering if there are any audio recordings of the masque on tape ... Does anyone know? Thanks, Tim Burbery Marshall University -----Original Message----- From: Jameela Lares [mailto:jlares@ocean.otr.usm.edu] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:00 PM To: Milton-List Subject: Devil in the dock Of possible interest to Miltonists: One of my colleagues gave me a copy of a recent Federal Court decision in--are you ready for this?--United States ex rel. Gerald MAYO v. SATAN AND HIS STAFF, in United States District Court, W. D. Pennsylvania. Since the matter is (I assume) public record, I am quoting in good faith from the printout I received from my friend. Cited as 54 F.R.D. 282: "Civil rights action against Satan and his servants who allegedly placed deliberate obstances in plaintiff's path and caused his downfall, wherein plaintiff prayed for leave to proceed in forma pauperis." "We feel that the application to file and proceed in forma pauperis must be denied. Even if plaintiff's complaint reveals a prima facie recital of the infringement of the civil rights of a citizen of the United States, the Court has serious doubts that the complaint reveals a cause of action upon which relief can be granted by the court. We question whether plaintiff may obtain personal jurisdiction over the defendant in this judicial district. The complaint contains no allegation of residence in this district. While the official reports disclose no case where this defendant has appeared as defendant there is an unofficial account of a trial in New Hampshire where this defendant filed an action of mortgage foreclosure as plaintiff. The defendant in that action was represented by the preeminant advocate of that day, and raised the defense that the plaintiff was a foreign prince with no standing to sue in an American Court. This defense was overcome by overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Whether or not this would raise an estoppel in the present case we are unable to determine at this time." Issues also noted: whether the case could be conducted as a class action, and plaintiff's failure "to include with his complaint the required form of instructions for the United States Marshal for directions as to service of process." Jameela Lares Associate Professor of English University of Southern Mississippi Hattiesburg, MS 39406-5037 +(601) 266-6214 ofc +(601) 266-5757 fax From: Peter C. Herman [herman2@mail.sdsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:39 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Syllabus Help Dear All, I'm presently concocting my syllabus for my 17th. century course next semester, and I was wondering if the group could suggest some examples of imaginative literature, i.e., fiction, drama and/or verse, written during the English Revolution that reflects the Revolution. Thanks in advance, Peter C. Herman From: Jameela Lares [jlares@ocean.otr.usm.edu] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:00 PM To: Milton-List Subject: Devil in the dock Of possible interest to Miltonists: One of my colleagues gave me a copy of a recent Federal Court decision in--are you ready for this?--United States ex rel. Gerald MAYO v. SATAN AND HIS STAFF, in United States District Court, W. D. Pennsylvania. Since the matter is (I assume) public record, I am quoting in good faith from the printout I received from my friend. Cited as 54 F.R.D. 282: "Civil rights action against Satan and his servants who allegedly placed deliberate obstances in plaintiff's path and caused his downfall, wherein plaintiff prayed for leave to proceed in forma pauperis." "We feel that the application to file and proceed in forma pauperis must be denied. Even if plaintiff's complaint reveals a prima facie recital of the infringement of the civil rights of a citizen of the United States, the Court has serious doubts that the complaint reveals a cause of action upon which relief can be granted by the court. We question whether plaintiff may obtain personal jurisdiction over the defendant in this judicial district. The complaint contains no allegation of residence in this district. While the official reports disclose no case where this defendant has appeared as defendant there is an unofficial account of a trial in New Hampshire where this defendant filed an action of mortgage foreclosure as plaintiff. The defendant in that action was represented by the preeminant advocate of that day, and raised the defense that the plaintiff was a foreign prince with no standing to sue in an American Court. This defense was overcome by overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Whether or not this would raise an estoppel in the present case we are unable to determine at this time." Issues also noted: whether the case could be conducted as a class action, and plaintiff's failure "to include with his complaint the required form of instructions for the United States Marshal for directions as to service of process." Jameela Lares Associate Professor of English University of Southern Mississippi Hattiesburg, MS 39406-5037 +(601) 266-6214 ofc +(601) 266-5757 fax