From: Chris Clark [christopher.clark@kcl.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:11 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Iusta Edouardo King Hi I'm trying to get hold of a copy, preferably in facsimile, of the original volume in which Lycidas was published, Iusta Edouardo King. I will be happy to get one out of a library though to be able to buy one would be preferable. I fear if a version is available, it may be out of print. Nonetheless, do any of you know if such a volume exists and is available, and if so where I can get hold of it? If it's not available, references like ISBN etc would be useful so I can keep searching. Thank you in advance, Chris Clark King's College London From: tom bishop [tgb2@po.cwru.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:57 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Milton Quarterly renewal. I just got a subscription renewal for Milton Quarterly from Blackwell's indicating a nearly 400% increase in price. That makes the subscription about $0.64 per page. Invaluable though Milton's work is, this seems high to me. Does anyone have any thoughts or information on what is going on? Tom From: ana rose [annaruza@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:02 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: milton, galileo, & his daughter Hello, I've been following the discussion about whether or not Milton and Galileo actually met. I just recently heard about a book of letters of correspondence between Galileo and his daughter who was a nun. This was the only way for her to talk to him because he was under house arrest. Has anybody read it? And, if so, does it mention Milton at all? I believe it is called "Galileo's Daughter" or something of the sort. anna __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: Christophe TOURNU [christophe.tournu@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 3:00 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: PUBLICATION Dear Miltonists, I am very pleased to announce the release of my first book entitled = "Theology and Politics in Milton's Prose Writings" (Presses = Universitaires du Septentrion, Villeneuve d'Ascq, France, 2000). The book, written in French, reproduces what I said in my PhD, with a = much enlarged introduction. If you are interested, you will find more information at = http://www.john-milton.org. I am looking forward to hearing your comments. Thanks a lot. Christophe TOURNU Assistant Professor of English University Pierre Mendes France IUT 2 - 2, Place Doyen Gosse 38031 GRENOBLE C=E9dex 9 Tel.: 0033476284656 e-mail: christophe.tournu@wanadoo.fr ChristopheTOURNU@aol.com From: Sean Thomas [SeanT@harker.org] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:42 AM To: 'milton-l@richmond.edu' Subject: Milton/Hatlib To anyone: I am interested in learning what Milton thought of Samuel Hartlib. I would appreciate any information, leads or references to published material that speaks of their connection. Thank you, Sean From: t.n.corns@bangor.ac.uk Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 8:59 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Iusta Edouardo King There was a facsimile by Norwood editions in 1978, with introduction, translation and notes by Edward Le Comte (which are very useful). Best wishes, Tom Corns From: Jean Graham [graham@tcnj.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:50 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Milton Quarterly renewal. According to the Milton-L website, Milton Quarterly is now available through Project Muse, so if our institutions pay to get Project Muse, we don't have to rely on the print version. I'm sure that has something to do with the price increase. tom bishop wrote: > > I just got a subscription renewal for Milton Quarterly from > Blackwell's indicating a nearly 400% increase in price. That makes > the subscription about $0.64 per page. Invaluable though Milton's > work is, this seems high to me. Does anyone have any thoughts or > information on what is going on? > > Tom From: Roy Flannagan [Roy@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:19 AM To: tgb2@po.cwru.edu; milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Milton Quarterly renewal. Dear Tom, and other concerned citizens of the community of Milton = scholars, I have been drafting an announcement concerning changes in Milton = Quarterly that I did want you all to know about. One of the small complaints over the years with MQ had to do with its = small size (even though the small size was commensurate with the small = price of the journal). We have prided ourselves on high quality within a = small number of pages. With the March, 2000, issue, MQ will double in size, from about 32 pages = to about 64 pages per issue. This will allow us to publish monographs, = special issues, translations, and small reference works, all within the = journal format. If the readers of MQ will look at the prices of comparativ= e single-author journals, they will quickly discover that we have been far = on the low end of the scale for our subscription price, for years. = Libraries will bear more of the burden of the rise in subscription rate, = and there may be individual subscribers who will decide to use library = copies rather than to subscribe individually. Plans are also in the works = to destribute the journal electronically through Blackwell of Oxford, and = we are at present negotiating to record a searchable database of the = complete run of the journal through the electronic resources at Blackwell. The movement to Blackwell as publisher will help to encourage the = world-wide distribution of articles, reviews, and news about Milton. We = now have subscribers, for instance, in Bulgaria, in Sri Lanka, in China. I apologize for any increase in cost, of course, and we have tried over = the years to keep the cost of the journal down (the operation of the = journal is still extremely efficient and cost-effective), but we had = indeed fallen far behind the average journal price (check out some of the = ridiculous price-gouging, for intance, in obscure and specialized = scientific journals). We also believe we can provide a great deal of = added value for the cost of subscription. Best to all, Roy Flannagan, as Editor, Milton Quarterly From: Lloyd Claire [CLloyd@blackwellpublishers.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:12 AM To: 'milton-l@richmond.edu' Subject: FW: Milton Quarterly renewal. Dear Tom It looks like you've been renewed at the institutional rate. If you've always paid the personal rate in the past, let me know and I'll arrange a refund. Regards Claire Lloyd Systems Manager Journals Sales & Marketing Clloyd@blackwellpublishers.co.uk Tel. +44 (0)1865 382263; fax +44 (0)1865 381263 Blackwell Publishers Ltd, 108 Cowley Road, Oxford OX4 1JF, UK www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: tom bishop [SMTP:tgb2@po.cwru.edu] Sent: 25 October 2000 14:57 To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Milton Quarterly renewal. I just got a subscription renewal for Milton Quarterly from Blackwell's indicating a nearly 400% increase in price. That makes the subscription about $0.64 per page. Invaluable though Milton's work is, this seems high to me. Does anyone have any thoughts or information on what is going on? Tom ************** The information in this email is confidential and is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access, copying, dissemination or re-use of information in it by anyone else is unauthorised. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Blackwell Publishers Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient please contact Blackwell Publishers Ltd, +44 (0)1865 791100. From: Dan Knauss [tiresias@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:19 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: milton, galileo, & his daughter Books like Dava Sobels' Galileo's Daughter are not good sources to turn to. GD claims to be "A Historical Memoir of Science, Faith, and Love" which is to say it is a novelized biography. It is not "a book of letters of correspondence between Galileo and his daughter..." There are 124 letters extant, from Suor Maria Celeste only--none from Galileo to her. A few of them (very few) are translated and printed in Sobel's book. Many other "period characters" in Galileo's life are (according to the dustjacket) "dramatically recolor[ed]" as bits of English translations of their recorded sayings and writings are put into their mouths within Sobel's narrative. To the extent that the book is made to follow an easily digested plot for a wide audience, it also obscures the fact that it is a collection of interpretations and arguments. Sobel states as fact that Milton, Hobbes, and others visited Galileo, but she apparently has nothing more than Milton's testimony, which is quoted in a note. -Dan Knauss On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:01:35 -0700 (PDT) ana rose writes: > Hello, > I've been following the discussion about whether or > not Milton and Galileo actually met. > > I just recently heard about a book of letters of > correspondence between Galileo and his daughter who > was a nun. This was the only way for her to talk to > him because he was under house arrest. > > Has anybody read it? And, if so, does it mention > Milton at all? > > I believe it is called "Galileo's Daughter" or > something of the sort. > > anna ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: Christopher Chen [dansmacabre@angelfire.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 4:13 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: milton, galileo, & his daughter >I just recently heard about a book of letters of >correspondence between Galileo and his daughter who >was a nun. This was the only way for her to talk to >him because he was under house arrest. >Has anybody read it? And, if so, does it mention >Milton at all? >I believe it is called "Galileo's Daughter" or >something of the sort. The author is Davia Sobel, I believe, who also wrote "Longitude." I have not read either book myself. --- Christopher Chen Man-of-Letters If I'm sick of me, I can only imagine how other people feel. So I think I'll probably sit it out next year. I mean, by the law of averages, I'm due to get hit by a bus any day now. -Kevin Spacey Life without passion is dust. Passion without purpose is chaos. Purpose without morality is hell. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: James Dougal Fleming [jdf26@columbia.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 5:33 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Iusta Edouardo King A facsimile does indeed exist, edited by Edward Le Comte. No doubt out of print, but major research libraries should have it. Alternatively, you can buy or cadge your way onto the EEBO web resource. JDF. On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Chris Clark wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to get hold of a copy, preferably in facsimile, of the > original volume in which Lycidas was published, Iusta Edouardo King. I > will be happy to get one out of a library though to be able to buy one > would be preferable. I fear if a version is available, it may be out of > print. Nonetheless, do any of you know if such a volume exists and is > available, and if so where I can get hold of it? If it's not available, > references like ISBN etc would be useful so I can keep searching. > > Thank you in advance, > > Chris Clark > King's College London > From: jherz [jherz@vax2.concordia.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:59 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: milton, galileo, & his daughter Small comment: I have not read the letters but it would be very unlikely to find a mention of Milton there. After all, from Galileo's point of view, who was Milton? just a nice young, serious, curious, poetical gentleman visitor. For Milton, on the other hand, such a visit was clearly momentous as the subsequent references testify. And this, I think, is true no matter how one assesses the famous trio of similes or the prose. Why would Milton have lied in Areopagetica, especially in a passage about speaking what one believes to be the truth? Judith Herz ana rose wrote: > Hello, > I've been following the discussion about whether or > not Milton and Galileo actually met. > > I just recently heard about a book of letters of > correspondence between Galileo and his daughter who > was a nun. This was the only way for her to talk to > him because he was under house arrest. > > Has anybody read it? And, if so, does it mention > Milton at all? > > I believe it is called "Galileo's Daughter" or > something of the sort. > > anna > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From: Roy Flannagan [Roy@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 8:17 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Iusta Edouardo King Others will point this out, I am sure, but the facsimile of Justa Edovardo = King, with excellent and useful introduction, translations, and notes by = Edward Le Comte, was published by Norwood Editions in 1978. There is no = address for Norwood Editions in the book, and I see no ISBN number; so it = may be very hard to find. Roy Flannagan From: Mr. Timothy Raylor [timothy.raylor@span.ch] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:59 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Milton/Hatlib Start with "Of Education" and read the introductions by Ernest Sirluck in the Yale edition and Roy Flannagan in the Riverside. Tim Raylor ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Thomas To: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: Milton/Hatlib > To anyone: > > I am interested in learning what Milton thought of Samuel Hartlib. I would > appreciate any information, leads or references to published material that > speaks of their connection. > > Thank you, > > Sean > From: Roy Flannagan [roy@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 4:41 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Milton/Hatlib Check recent articles in MQ and in various collections edited and written by Timothy Raylor. Also, Barbara Lewalski's new biography might contain some new information about Milton and Hartlib. Best to all, Roy Flannagan >>> SeanT@harker.org 10/27/00 08:29 AM >>> To anyone: I am interested in learning what Milton thought of Samuel Hartlib. I would appreciate any information, leads or references to published material that speaks of their connection. Thank you, Sean From: tom bishop [tgb2@po.cwru.edu] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:53 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: FW: Milton Quarterly renewal. Yes, I have paid the personal rate, I believe. I haven't yet renewed the subscription, so I don't think there's any need for a refund. What's the difference? I did think $90 was a bit steep. Tom >Dear Tom > >It looks like you've been renewed at the institutional rate. If you've >always paid the personal rate in the past, let me know and I'll arrange a >refund. > >Regards > >Claire Lloyd >Systems Manager >Journals Sales & Marketing > >Clloyd@blackwellpublishers.co.uk >Tel. +44 (0)1865 382263; fax +44 (0)1865 381263 >Blackwell Publishers Ltd, 108 Cowley Road, Oxford OX4 1JF, UK >www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk > >-----Original Message----- >From: tom bishop [SMTP:tgb2@po.cwru.edu] >Sent: 25 October 2000 14:57 >To: milton-l@richmond.edu >Subject: Re: Milton Quarterly renewal. > >I just got a subscription renewal for Milton Quarterly from >Blackwell's indicating a nearly 400% increase in price. That makes >the subscription about $0.64 per page. Invaluable though Milton's >work is, this seems high to me. Does anyone have any thoughts or >information on what is going on? > >Tom > > >************** >The information in this email is confidential and is intended for the >addressee(s) only. Access, copying, dissemination or re-use of information >in it by anyone else is unauthorised. Any views or opinions presented are >solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of >Blackwell Publishers Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient please >contact Blackwell Publishers Ltd, +44 (0)1865 791100. From: John Ulreich [jcu@u.arizona.edu] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 1:12 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Milton Quarterly renewal. At 12:49 PM 10/26/2000 -0400, you wrote: >According to the Milton-L website, Milton Quarterly is now available >through Project Muse, so if our institutions pay to get Project Muse, we >don't have to rely on the print version. . . . YES, WE DO. >. . .I'm sure that has something to do with the price increase. PERHAPS NOT IN THE PRESENT INSTANCE, BUT IT CERTAINLY WILL DO SO IN THE NEAR FUTURE IF WE RESPOND PASSIVELY TO ELECTRONIFICATION. If libraries believe (often mistakenly) they can save money by discontinuing subscriptions to print versions of journals, they will try to do so. And that will inevitably drive the price of most journals beyond the reach of most of us. (I haven't done the math, but I believe that most journals depend on institutional subscriptions for their survival.) Other evils too numerous to mention will follow. DO NOT LET YOUR LIBRARY DO THIS! Our library recently floated the idea of canceling some 50 or 60 subscriptions in the humanities. It has, for the present, been dissuaded, both by enormous resistence and cogent argument. I paste below a communication from our library liason and computer honcho that you can use to develop arguments to meet the circumstances at your institution when (not if) the need arises. AND DON'T CANCEL YOUR SUBSCRIPTION TO MILTON QUARTERLY EITHER. --------------------------------------------------- Verónica and Sheril-- Apologies for the slow reply concerning Project Muse. I did, however, promptly post the PM notice to our English list, and yesterday Larry Evers accurately characterized its reception here. I cannot remember the last time my colleagues have come to such swift, resolute, and virtually unanimous agreement as they have in their opposition to the PM scheme. And they have managed to do that even without yet addressing the most serious reason for giving this scheme a miss. Which is simply this. Neither the texts in PM's database nor PM's search functions are sufficiently accurate and reliable to meet the needs of responsible scholarly users or to justify the cancellation of any of the UA Library's hard-copy subscriptions. PM is still in its beta test stage, and there can be no assurance that all articles in all journals in PM's list have been covered or ever will be covered. PM in fact solicits users' assistance in identifying missing items. ("If you cannot retrieve a known article in the new search engine, however, please let us know so we can make sure the database is complete.") That's not the way to run a whaleroad. Also, lists of books received, advertisements, conference announcements, unsigned editorial prefaces to special issues, and other such content are not reliably or consistently included in PM's database. Some texts in PM are in the current version of HTML; others are in one or another earlier version of HTML; still others are in PDF. This is a nuisance not likely to be dealt with in the near future, and the inconsistency is serious for several reasons affecting the reliability and the overall usefulness of PM's material, especially in view of the range of hardware and software on the desks of UA users. (I can pull up PM's stuff--what there is of it--just fine on my little Mac at home, but I'd get almost none of it from the boat anchor, regardless of its Ethernet connection, currently on my office desk in the ML building.) PM generally does not handle foreign languages well at all, and its search engine chokes up on diacritics, special characters, and non-roman alphabets. French, Spanish, Scandinavian, and other diacritics and characters might or might not appear as they should. PM's help-page advice concerning diacritics ("Simply type in the word.") is meaningless. Try phrase searches for, say, en espanol and en español, neither of which will turn up anything. Then search for en espa* to find the 40 or 50 phrases that didn't turn up. Or try universitat. You'll pick up some Catalan and other occurrences but not many hits for Universität. There's not much you can do to find stuff on Æsop, Æschylus, Ælfric, or ærodynamics if authors have used the æ ligature. PM's search engine just can't handle that. Occasionally you'll find terms containing thorns, eths, yoghs, and such, but usually you won't. Anything at all is apt to happen when it comes to either the digitizing or the transliteration of non-roman alphabets such as Greek, Cyrillic, etc. Here's an example of how bad it can get: He tells us that Memnon killed Antilochus and Achilles killed Memnon: kaç symbol¶q genomªnhq |Ant*loxoq æp¯ Mªmnonoq *naireÁtai, e=peita |Axilleåq Mªmnona kte*nei. The following Old English passage from King Alfred in a recent article by Clare A. Lees is also reduced to unreadable hash: Hu ne wost eu nu tæt ælc tara manna te oterne swiee lufae, tæt hine lyst bet taccian and cyssan eone oeerne on bær lic, tonne ter tær claeas beotweona beoe? Ic ongyte nu tæt (tu) lufast tone wisdom swa swiee, and te lyst hine swa wel nacode ongitan and gefredan tæt tu noldest tæt ænig clae betweuh were. ac he hine wyle swiee seldon ænegum mæn swa openlice ge(e)awian. The quality of the PM program's digitizing is generally okay, certainly better than Chadwyck-Healey's or Bell & Howell's OCR scanning, for it has been keyed to the particular typefaces used by Johns Hopkins, Duke, and the other university presses that PM has begun with. Even so, it is not good enough. This can be demonstrated in numerous ways, but, to keep things simple, just do searches for things like inthe, ofthe,fromthe, history, and so on. Searches for terms such as britian, parlament, tuscon, goverment, modem literature, etc., will leave a user wondering if all those errors are actually in the original articles or in PM's texts of them. (Usually they appear to be in the originals, but one could never be confident of that in view of the messes above.) I could go on, but you get the idea. PM's texts of articles in scholarly journals are not sufficiently accurate or reliable to replace the hard-copy subscriptions that the UA Library currently has in place. Cancellation of these hard-copy subscriptions at any time in the near future would be irresponsible and would very likely cause serious inconvenience, frustration, and possibly even further expense for the UA's scholarly community. I would never dare to cite the PM version of some article in a publication of my own, and I'd have to look to ASU or some other library for a copy of the original article. I must also wonder just how much money the UA Library would be saving by chucking all these paper subscriptions and replacing them with PM. Unless the UA Library teams up with some four to 100 other libraries, the current annual cost for PM's full menu of 167 journals, including some generally much pricier scientific journals, would be $12K. That's an average of about $72 per journal. Does the average journal in the humanities or the history side of the social sciences cost significantly more than that? I doubt it very much. And if space is a problem (which of course it really isn't--witness that huge, expensive electronic playpen going up in the big hole), then there is a simple solution to that:build more shelves. In the past two or three decades librarians have been dismayingly slow to wake up to or to do anything about the fact that it is profit-minded publishers, not scholars or others in the academy, who control the transmission of learning and who ultimately decide what our libraries will hold and what materials we'll teach from in our classrooms. Those of us in teaching and research have been even slower and more reprehensible in the matter and have been largely responsible for the fiscal crisis that almost all libraries face these days. But downsizing the collections or seeking refuge in digital format, which is still very much in its highly imperfect incunable stage, is not the answer. That simply transfers the abiding problem from the printed realm to the electronic realm while enabling publishers to get richer yet with even less responsibility for the quality or permanent value of what they produce. Librarians, unlike consumers shopping for the best, most competitively priced house, car, toaster, or bag of dogfood, find themselves having to buy publishers' products simply because those products exist, never because somebody's book on Shakespeare is a better value than somebody else's book on Shakespeare. The situation will become even worse if academic librarians, English professors, and others do not look more intelligently and more critically at all the digital whatnot that is being pitched at us. As for the printed book or periodical in traditional codex format, it is by no means dead and will in fact long outlive us all, just as it survived the sack of Rome, the invention of printing, and the hallucinations of Marshall McLuhan. I regret, Sheril and Verónica, that your first major communication with the English Department should involve such a pesky electronic issue that has been going on in one way or another long before your recent arrivals here and that seems to take little account of how warmly we welcome you and how much we appreciate the fresh enthusiasm you bring toward building the Library's strengths in our various English and American areas of interest. I assure you that we never shoot the Library's messengers bringing unwelcome news to us. We don't even rough them up very much. Ever, c [Carl Berkhout] John C. Ulreich Professor of English Dept. of English - Modern Languages Bldg. #67 University of Arizona (520) 621-5424 Tucson, AZ 85721-0067 FAX: (520) 621-7397 From: Cobelli@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 1:09 PM To: Milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Milton, Galileo and Galileo's daughter Dear List: Galileo's daughter Marie Celeste shared a cell with a deranged woman who twice tried to kill herself with a penknife. See McNamara, Sisters in Arms, Harvard: Cambridge University Press, 1996, Chapter XVIII, "The Sweetness of Life." Could Milton have attended perhaps an informal group lecture given by the imprisoned Galileo? Thus there wasn't really an individual meeting and the brevity of the reference. Scott Grunow Starting Monday: Editorial Services Specialist University of Illinois, Chicago (and soon to be PhD candidate) "Non hai tu in Chicago, desiderii, speranze?" From: Lloyd Claire [CLloyd@blackwellpublishers.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:49 AM To: 'milton-l@richmond.edu' Cc: Joseph Philip; Prior Gareth Subject: Subscriptions to Milton Quarterly It appears that some personal subscribers have inadvertently been invoiced at the institutional rate. The correct prices for 2001 should be: Institutions USD 90 (GBP 58) Individuals USD 29 (GBP 19) If you have recently received an invoice for the wrong amount, just ignore it as we will be sending a revised invoice shortly. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience. Regards Claire Lloyd Systems Manager Journals Sales & Marketing Clloyd@blackwellpublishers.co.uk Tel. +44 (0)1865 382263; fax +44 (0)1865 381263 Blackwell Publishers Ltd, 108 Cowley Road, Oxford OX4 1JF, UK www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk ************** The information in this email is confidential and is intended for the addressee(s) only. 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The first in loftiness of thought surpassed, The next in majesty, in both the last: The force of Nature could no farther go; To make a third, she joined the former two. --- John Dryden, 1688 Greetings, Everyone --- This is an open invitation to attend the 2nd Annual Milton Marathon --- an opportunity for fellow Miltonists to gather and share the beauty and majesty of _Paradise Lost_ with friends and fellow lovers of poetry. Join us for an hour or two, or stay for the duration. But by all means, come join us! ACTIVITY: Participants will engage in a marathon reading of John Milton's _Paradise Lost_, taking turns reading sections until we've completed the whole epic poem. Last year, it took us about ten hours (with several breaks in between)! Quite the accomplishment! WHEN: Saturday, December 9th, 2000 beginning promptly at 11 a.m. (Milton's birthday is that day . . . he would have been 392 years old. Feel free to bring a gift.) WHERE: The Argo Community High School Library, 7329 West 63rd Street, Summit, Illinois. For any of you post recipients who are unfamiliar with how to get to the school, contact me and I'll give you directions. NOURISHMENT: Snacks and soft drinks will be provided (around Book IX we'll have some apples!); pizzas will be served toward late afternoon. Feel free to bring a munchie to help sustain our reading! In addition: 1. The ACHS Library will have plenty of copies of _PL_ available. You may, of course, bring an edition of your own. As many of you know, I prefer the Norton Critical Edition, which provides outstanding explanatory notes and a comprehensive discussion of the Miltonic Universe. If you have the means, I highly recommend it! 2. This year's event will be more of a multi-media experience, exposing participants to a wide range of Milton- and PL-related music and artwork throughout the reading. 3. Here are a few Milton-related web sites to whet your appetite prior to the Marathon: The John Milton Reading Room http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/ Milton's Paradise Lost http://elf.chaoscafe.com/milton/ http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rbear/lost/lost.html John Milton Poetry Project http://swc2.hccs.cc.tx.us/rowhtml/Milton/jmpmain.htm If you have any questions about the event, please feel free to contact me. As always, I hope all of you are well (especially you college students with approaching finals), and I look forward to seeing you on December 9th with book in hand! : ) All the best, Tim Strzechowski Voice Mail: (708) 728-3200 ext. 709 P.S. Remember: the more, the merrier. By all means, forward this to whomever you think might be interested. From: John Ulreich [jcu@u.arizona.edu] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 11:49 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Milton and Galileo Just in case anyone happens to be in the neighborhood, everyone on this list, as well as their heirs and assigns, relatives, friends, partners, dependents, and/or co-dependents, is cordially invited to the THIRD ANNUAL MILTON MARATHON A reading aloud of Paradise Lost. Friday, November 10 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Modern Languages 451 Drop in any time and read a few lines. Be there or be Cast out from God and blessed vision . . . Into utter darkness, deep ingulft, [your] place Ordaind without redemption, without end.* * Travel Arrangements: Satana Galactic Enterprises (formerly known as Lucifer Global). For more information, contact: John C. Ulreich Professor of English Dept. of English - Modern Languages Bldg. #67 University of Arizona (520) 621-5424 Tucson, AZ 85721-0067 FAX: (520) 621-7397 From: Roy Flannagan [roy@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:23 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Big Issues in Publishing Milton Quarterly John Ulreich's posting with the attached letter criticising the inaccuracy of transmitted articles in Project Muse poses many ethical and scholarly questions--not to mention the question of who gets the profits from journal publishing. With my other cap on, that of President of the Council of Editors of Learned Journals, I am professionally involved with questions of copyright, intellectual property, and the profitability of scholarly publishing. Generally speaking, our work as scholars isn't worth much, and we rarely get paid for it, but scholarly presses do realize that "Milton will always be around," as one editor confided to me, and that there is therefore a constant small stream of profit-potential in what we publish. What Project Muse was the first to realize on a large scale is that libraries are cramped for space and that periodical divisions are being squeezed to death by the over-pricing of some (primarily specialized scientific) scholarly journals. The solution to that problem, the promised land, seemed to be to put journals either on CD-ROM or on-line, with a key-access that large research libraries could pay for, to give 30,000 students access to full-text journals all at the same time. The problem, as Carl Berkhout's letter made clear, is that the OCR technology used to convert visual images of pages to searchable, encoded text, is far from perfect. It cannot "do" Greek or Hebrew, or even Italian or German, very well. Therefore, the text that Project Muse puts out is degraded from what is on the page, and, as John Ulreich points out, what you see on the page is not what you get in the searchable database. There are other problems as well, nightmares for encoding, spell-checking, and scholarly searching, as with multiple spellings for the same modern wod (as with bad for bade in the First Folio of Shakespeare, for instance). It will help save library shelf space to have images of the pages of Milton Quarterly, but ideally we should also be able to search every word of its text going back to 1967 (including typos!). I am beginning negotiations with Blackwell to photograph the complete run of the journal, but I would like for the job to be done well, from the production of clear images to the checking of the electronic text word-for-word against the original image, before electronic databases consisting of images and text are sold by Blackwell. This is an enormous job, even for a small journal, but the goals will be to provide the information for scholars at a reasonable price to libraries and to individual subscribers. The press and the journal itself both need to be profitable in an uncertain marketplace, in order to sustain themselves and remain in business. These issues are complicated. Thanks for listening. Roy Flannagan From: Conrad Bladey ***Peasant**** [cbladey@mail.bcpl.net] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:46 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Cc: grala@onebox.com; DrSuki9@aol.com; Popilius@yahoo.com; not_the_playwright@hotmail.com; bplocha1@niu.edu; Campbells1128@aol.com; ThGreyGuy@yahoo.com; deb216@prodigy.net; mldvrg03@gateway.net; f-keller@nwu.edu; richgrl77@hotmail.com; jbustos7@hotmail.com; jestrada@fas.harvard.edu; jtupy@sun.iwu.edu; Julees88@aol.com; Poobar9801@aol.com; K8Kozin@yahoo.com; Berly1114@aol.com; NA8601@aol.com; RW1181@aol.com; sdelpre@umich.edu; aakelly@midway.uchicago.edu; fjrubel@midway.uchicago.edu; jchoate@luc.edu; kklochan5@aol.com; Euphoria13@aol.com; randy2100@yahoo.com; justicesxf@aol.com; espy333@prodigy.net; rrodrigu@students.depaul.edu; pmann@uic.edu; pan_dora69@yahoo.com; sdl726@mediaone.net; evenckus@dpg.devry.edu; gwalboz@uss.net; jenniferg9@yahoo.com; JBaricovic@aol.com; Jacktempest@cs.com; NancyCGiuriati@avenew.com; sbuonomo@argo217.k12.il.us; wallace@dpg.devry.edu; eleusis33@hotmail.com; millmang@rotaryintl.org; fstout@argo217.k12.il.us; tdixey@argo217.k12.il.us; GeraldTVlasak@avenew.com; farquie@hotmail.com; jswainfry@cs.com Subject: Celebration of Nov.5 Guy Fawkes Day-Bonfire Night A grand opportunity to have a wonderful time, enjoy a bonfire and maybe even talk about the relationship of Milton to the Gunpowder Plot! He wrote about it you know! We celebrate in Linthicum outside of Baltimore Maryland, U.S.A. and all are welcome. Time: Saturday Nov.4 2000 Keg tapped 4:00 (soft drinks too...) Chants Prayeres, torches celebration 5:30 Dinner 6:00 Food and drink provided by the center for Fawkesian Pursuits. Fire follows with the presentation of flaming plumb pudding thereafter. Kids welcome. Games! (Pulling Garnets Straw alwasy a hit!) Guys of course! Location: 402 Nancy Ave. Linthicum, Md. 21090 Phone 410-789-0930 e.mail- cbladey@bcpl.net We are right off the Baltimore Washington Parkway, I 95, Baltimore beltway 695 and two blocks from baltimore light rail. Need directions? Just contact us! All are welcome- this is a general annual open house we have been doing for about 20 years now. For more on the plot and its celebration and even Milton: http://www.bcpl.net/~cbladey/guy/html/maina.html Don't be shy! We need revelers! The more the merrier. If you want to bring something try salad or snacks..... Come hungry, Rain or shine! Bring your favorite milton reading! Conrad