From: Gardner Campbell [gcampbel@mwc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:44 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: God as a person? The reference you're remembering may be in *Surprised By Joy* toward the end of the chapter called "The New Look," where Lewis describes his movement from Realism to Idealism to Theism to Christianity. See especially pp. 209-210 in the Harcourt, Brace & World hardcover edition (1955). Best wishes, Gardner Campbell Gardner Campbell, Ph.D. Associate Professor of English Department of English, Linguistics, and Speech Mary Washington College 1301 College Avenue Fredericksburg, Virginia 22401 (540) 654-1542 >>> burbery@MARSHALL.EDU 08/28/00 05:34AM >>> Dear John: I don't have Lewis' *Mere Christianity* in front of me, but am pretty sure that he has a discussion in it on the "scandal of particularity" that was the Incarnation. On Lewis' view, scandalous because it was personal and specific -- God breaking into human history as an actual person, weighing so many stones, etc. Best, Tim Burbery > >Now I have a question of my own. Can anyone recall where C. S. Lewis >insists that God is "a person" and scorns those who refer to him as "the >Absolute"? > >Many thanks, > >John Leonard >-----Original Message----- >From: david hathaway >To: Milton-L@richmond.edu >Date: August 25, 2000 8:12 AM >Subject: Charles Williams??? > > > >hi- > >I'm not clear on who I'm speaking with. Nonetheless, > >do you happen to know the "Charles Williams" source > >that C.S. Lewis dedicates 'A Preface to Paradise > >Lost.' The footnote I have is 'The Poetical Works of > >Milton.' The World Classics, 1940. Yet, I cannot find > >this book anywhere. Do you have any additional > >information or suggestions? > >Sincerely, > >D. Hathaway > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: tomdill@wc.stephens.edu Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:38 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Charles Williams??? Several useful answers have already appeared identifying Charles Williams and locating his preface, but I am surprised that no one has mentioned that he, like Tolkien and C.S. Lewis, was also a poet and novelist. He published a number of novels that would proably be classified in the realm of "fantasy" along with the Narnia and Middle Earth series. HIs prose is much less engaging that the other two writers' and his narratives seem somewhat creaky and contrived (rather like Agatha Christie novels in some respects), though they always move toward some revelation of a restoration of Christian faith and order. If you are familiar with the third volume of Lewis's trilogy, _That Hideous Strength_, that is the most similar (and more familiar) work from that group. Williams also wrote a lengthy poem, _Taliessin Through Logres_, based on Arthurian materials, which he also incorporates into at least two of his novels ("Arthur" returns as the future king at the end of one of them, but they blur together in my memory, so I am not sure which one). Tom Dillingham From: Timothy Burbery [burbery@MARSHALL.EDU] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:35 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: God as a person? Dear John: I don't have Lewis' *Mere Christianity* in front of me, but am pretty sure that he has a discussion in it on the "scandal of particularity" that was the Incarnation. On Lewis' view, scandalous because it was personal and specific -- God breaking into human history as an actual person, weighing so many stones, etc. Best, Tim Burbery > >Now I have a question of my own. Can anyone recall where C. S. Lewis >insists that God is "a person" and scorns those who refer to him as "the >Absolute"? > >Many thanks, > >John Leonard >-----Original Message----- >From: david hathaway >To: Milton-L@richmond.edu >Date: August 25, 2000 8:12 AM >Subject: Charles Williams??? > > > >hi- > >I'm not clear on who I'm speaking with. Nonetheless, > >do you happen to know the "Charles Williams" source > >that C.S. Lewis dedicates 'A Preface to Paradise > >Lost.' The footnote I have is 'The Poetical Works of > >Milton.' The World Classics, 1940. Yet, I cannot find > >this book anywhere. Do you have any additional > >information or suggestions? > >Sincerely, > >D. Hathaway > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: John Leonard [jleonard@julian.uwo.ca] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:21 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Charles Williams??? Dear David, The root of your problem is that Williams did not edit the 1940 Worlds Classics edition. He just wrote the Preface. NB. Williams' Preface should not be confused with his chapter on Milton in *The English Poetic Mind* (1932). The 1932 chapter is much more timid, and is under the shadow of Raleigh and Saurat. Williams in 1932 is almost a "Satanist" (he thinks that Satan's sacrifice is more impressive than the Son's and that Satan gets the better of Abdiel in argument). Very strange views for such a devout Christian. His heart is not really in them, but he had not yet plucked up the courage to challenge the prevailing Romantic orthodoxy (made respectable by Sir Walter Raleigh in 1900). To find Williams's 1940 preface you had probably best do a date search. I think Worlds Classics text was edited by B. A. Wright, but I am not sure about this. Now I have a question of my own. Can anyone recall where C. S. Lewis insists that God is "a person" and scorns those who refer to him as "the Absolute"? Many thanks, John Leonard -----Original Message----- From: david hathaway To: Milton-L@richmond.edu Date: August 25, 2000 8:12 AM Subject: Charles Williams??? >hi- >I'm not clear on who I'm speaking with. Nonetheless, >do you happen to know the "Charles Williams" source >that C.S. Lewis dedicates 'A Preface to Paradise >Lost.' The footnote I have is 'The Poetical Works of >Milton.' The World Classics, 1940. Yet, I cannot find >this book anywhere. Do you have any additional >information or suggestions? >Sincerely, >D. Hathaway > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: Louis Schwartz [lschwart@richmond.edu] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 1:11 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Charles Williams??? Mr. Hathaway, I'm not sure whom I'm speaking with either, but I'm happy to help. The book you're looking for is the 1940 reprint of the Oxford "World Classics" edition of *The English Poems of John Milton*. The 1940 reprint added the "short *Preface*" by Charles Williams refered to by Lewis in the dedication. I don't know why Lewis' note refers to it as *The Poetical Works*, but if you're looking for Williams' *preface*, you shouldn't have trouble turning up a copy of the the 1940 *English Poems* in a local library or in an internet used book search. Yours, Louis Schwartz At 05:21 PM 08/24/2000 -0700, you wrote: >hi- >I'm not clear on who I'm speaking with. Nonetheless, >do you happen to know the "Charles Williams" source >that C.S. Lewis dedicates 'A Preface to Paradise >Lost.' The footnote I have is 'The Poetical Works of >Milton.' The World Classics, 1940. Yet, I cannot find >this book anywhere. Do you have any additional >information or suggestions? >Sincerely, >D. Hathaway > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ======================================= Louis Schwartz English Department University of Richmond Richmond, VA 23173 (804) 289-8315 lschwart@richmond.edu From: mebauman@dmci.net Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 3:19 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Charles Williams??? Charles Williams was one of the central figures in the Oxford-based discussion group called the Inklings, of which both he and Lewis were a part. The two were very close friends until Williams' premature death at the close of WWII. Lewis said that he learned much from Williams' literary criticism, especially from the latter's Poetry at Present (1930), The English Poetic Mind (1932), and Reason and Beauty in the Poetic Mind (1933), all of which are OUP titles. For more on the two men , see Lewis's own preface to Essays Presented to Charles Williams. For what it's worth, I think Williams' The Figure of Beatrice is one the most profound books I have had the pleasure to read. Michael Bauman >hi- >I'm not clear on who I'm speaking with. Nonetheless, >do you happen to know the "Charles Williams" source >that C.S. Lewis dedicates 'A Preface to Paradise >Lost.' The footnote I have is 'The Poetical Works of >Milton.' The World Classics, 1940. Yet, I cannot find >this book anywhere. Do you have any additional >information or suggestions? >Sincerely, >D. Hathaway > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: Marc Ricciardi [marccr@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 3:22 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Charles Williams??? david hathaway wrote: > > hi- > I'm not clear on who I'm speaking with. Nonetheless, > do you happen to know the "Charles Williams" source > that C.S. Lewis dedicates 'A Preface to Paradise > Lost.' The footnote I have is 'The Poetical Works of > Milton.' The World Classics, 1940. Yet, I cannot find > this book anywhere. Do you have any additional > information or suggestions? > Sincerely, > D. Hathaway > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ David, The full title of the book is The English Poems of John Milton. It's a small book, published by Oxford. You may want to check www.bibliofind.com or www.abebooks.com. If you can't find it, you can give me your address and I can xerox Williams' Preface and mail it to you. It's only about thirteen pages long. Good luck. Marc From: Alan Rudrum [rudrum@sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 1:15 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Charles Williams??? At 05:21 PM 24/08/2000 -0700, you wrote: >hi- >I'm not clear on who I'm speaking with. Nonetheless, >do you happen to know the "Charles Williams" source >that C.S. Lewis dedicates 'A Preface to Paradise >Lost.' The footnote I have is 'The Poetical Works of >Milton.' The World Classics, 1940. Yet, I cannot find >this book anywhere. Do you have any additional >information or suggestions? >Sincerely, >D. Hathaway > The most entertaining way to find out is to read Humphrey Carpenter's book The Inklings (about C.S.Lewis, Charles Williams, Tolkien, Owen Barfield et al.) Some of us on this list are old enough to remember some of these people. One of them used to give me lunch at the Athenaeum, and I don't mean the one in Southern California. Alan Rudrum > From: huttar [huttar@hope.edu] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:00 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Cc: huttar@hope.edu Subject: RE: Charles Williams??? >do you happen to know the "Charles Williams" source >that C.S. Lewis dedicates 'A Preface to Paradise >Lost.' The footnote I have is 'The Poetical Works of >Milton.' The World Classics, 1940. Yet, I cannot find >this book anywhere. Do you have any additional >information or suggestions? Yes- Charles Williams was an editor at Oxford University Press who wrote the introduction to the World Classics (OUP) ed. of Milton in 1940. He also wrote another important essay on Milton. Both have been collected in Anne Ridler's edition, _The Image of the City and Other Essays by Charles Williams_ (OUP 1958). My own essay on Williams as a Milton critic appeared in _Inklings Jahrbuch_ Vol. 5 (1987). Please feel free to e-mail me direct if you'd like more information. Chuck Huttar Hope College, Holland, MI From: Tom Begley [tbegley@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 8:53 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Charles Williams??? Unfortunately, no... I teach theatre and film at the University of Central Florida. Wish I could help... Tom Begley, UCF At 05:21 PM 08/24/2000 -0700, you wrote: >hi- >I'm not clear on who I'm speaking with. Nonetheless, >do you happen to know the "Charles Williams" source >that C.S. Lewis dedicates 'A Preface to Paradise >Lost.' The footnote I have is 'The Poetical Works of >Milton.' The World Classics, 1940. Yet, I cannot find >this book anywhere. Do you have any additional >information or suggestions? >Sincerely, >D. Hathaway > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > From: Roy Flannagan [Roy@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 8:15 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Charles Williams??? I am Roy Flannagan, editor of the Milton Quarterly. Charles Williams was a friend of C. S. Lewis, who admired his perceptive introduction to the edition of Milton that you cited. The edition does exist, and Williams's introduction is excellent. What else do you want to know? Best wishes, Roy Flannagan From: Pat Dolan [paddyd@zeus.ia.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:55 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Charles Williams??? Here's what the U of Iowa library has: Author Milton, John, 1608-1674. Title The poetical works of John Milton, with a memoir and critical remarks on his genius and writings by James Montgomery, and one hundred and twenty engravings by John Thompson, S. and T. Williams, O. Smith, J. Linton, etc. from drawings by William Harvey. Edition New ed. With an index to Paradise lost; Todd's verbal index to all the poems; and a variorum selection of explanatory notes by Henry G. Bohn. In two vols. Published London, Bell, 1887-1900 [1861] Description 2 v. fronts (port., v. 1) illus. 19 cm. Series ( Bohn's library) General Note Each vol. has also special t.-p. Sys. no. 000457512 Format BK Location / Holdings MAIN Library PR3551 .M7 1861 Regular Loan From: david hathaway [dfareast@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:22 PM To: Milton-L@richmond.edu Subject: Charles Williams??? hi- I'm not clear on who I'm speaking with. Nonetheless, do you happen to know the "Charles Williams" source that C.S. Lewis dedicates 'A Preface to Paradise Lost.' The footnote I have is 'The Poetical Works of Milton.' The World Classics, 1940. Yet, I cannot find this book anywhere. Do you have any additional information or suggestions? Sincerely, D. Hathaway __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: Dan Knauss [tiresias@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:11 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Donne's reading On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:02:20 EDT Ucbubba@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/21/00 4:28:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > BlevinsJake@aol.com writes: > > > Could anyone on the list tell me if there have been significant > studies > > concerning John Donne's reading/library. In other words, do we > have any > > proof > > of what books he owned and read? Any help would be GREATLY > appreciated. > > > > Jacob > > Alan Nelson at U.C. Berkeley has an on going project to connect > people with > books. You can access it through his page (which is linked to the > Berkeley > English Depts' page...I think). He seem to be using the STC to trace > the > provenance of books in certain library collections. Send him an > e-mail, he > could give you some clues about how to proceed. > > Cheers, > John Robinson > The URL is http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~ahnelson/. "Index to former owners of various printed books, including books owned by Humphrey Dyson (1588-1633) and books in the UMI-STC microfilm series (1475-1640)." Dan Knauss Department of English, Marquette University daniel.knauss@marquette.edu - tiresias@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: Kimberly Hill [khill@concentric.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:06 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: CFP: Int'l John Bunyan Society REFORMATION, REVOLUTION, RESTORATION: The Texts and Contexts of Bunyan's England Third Triennial Conference of the International John Bunyan Society Kent State University, Kent, Ohio, USA, October 10-14, 2001 Keynote Speakers: Sharon Achinstein, University of Maryland Margaret Ezell, Texas A and M Richard Greaves, Florida State University Thomas Luxon, Dartmouth College Nigel Smith, Princeton University Reformation, Revolution, and Restoration are three contexts in which to situate the discourse of late seventeenth-century England. How these contexts shape the ideas and textual practices of religion, culture, and politics will provide the themes of our conference. Early modern scholars from all disciplines are welcome to contribute and to participate. In addition to work on Bunyan and his contemporaries, we welcome and encourage proposals focusing on gender, race, theoretical approaches, postmodern and cultural studies, and the global impact of Puritanism. Send two copies of 500-word abstract or a completed paper (reading time 20 minutes) and CV via regular mail or e-mail to Professor Vera Camden (vcamden@kent.edu) Department of English Kent State University P.O. Box 5190 Kent, Ohio 44242-0001 (216) 791-7641 fax: (330) 672-3152 DEADLINE: March 25, 2001 From: jherz [jherz@vax2.concordia.ca] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:33 AM To: Milton list Subject: call for papers REMINDER Call for Papers: Sixteenth Annual Conference of the John Donne Society Date: Feb. 15 - 17, 2001 Place: The Gulfpark Conference Center of the University of Southern Mississippi, Gulfport, MS Invited Speakers: David Norbrook, Paul Stevens, Sharon Achinstein, Gary Stringer Papers on any aspect of Donne studies are welcome. Please send 4 copies of completed papers (8-11 pages) by September 15 to: Eugene Cunnar Department of English New Mexico State University LAs Cruces, NM 88003 From: Ucbubba@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:02 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Donne's reading In a message dated 8/21/00 4:28:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, BlevinsJake@aol.com writes: > Could anyone on the list tell me if there have been significant studies > concerning John Donne's reading/library. In other words, do we have any > proof > of what books he owned and read? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. > > Jacob Alan Nelson at U.C. Berkeley has an on going project to connect people with books. You can access it through his page (which is linked to the Berkeley English Depts' page...I think). He seem to be using the STC to trace the provenance of books in certain library collections. Send him an e-mail, he could give you some clues about how to proceed. Cheers, John Robinson From: Daniel W. Doerksen [dwd@unb.ca] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 9:11 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Donne's reading You should certainly look at Sir Geoffrey Keynes, _A Bibliography of Dr. John Donne, Dean of St. Paul's_, 4th ed. (Clarendon, 1973), which lists 213 books from Donne's library. At 08:46 AM 8/18/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Could anyone on the list tell me if there have been significant studies >concerning John Donne's reading/library. In other words, do we have any proof >of what books he owned and read? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. > >Jacob > > Daniel W. Doerksen, Ph.D. E-mail: dwd@unb.ca Honorary Research Professor Department of English University of New Brunswick Fredericton, N.B. Canada E3B 5A3 From: Roy Flannagan [Roy@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:15 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Donne's reading Geoffrey Keynes did a well-nigh definitive catalogue of Donne's library in the 60s, and the volumes of the Donne Variorum, as they come out, would help fill any gaps. Roy Flannagan From: BlevinsJake@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 8:46 AM To: Milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Donne's reading Could anyone on the list tell me if there have been significant studies concerning John Donne's reading/library. In other words, do we have any proof of what books he owned and read? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Jacob